In her early years, grocery shopping with her mother, Marina, and sister, Rachel, took place amid stares and finger-pointing; hushed conversations ignited around them like flash fires as they walked the supermarket aisles. Priscilla was a CIA asset, IMHO, as was June Cobb in Cuba. I always feel torn by whether I'm required to tell somebody about my history. But you know, just because you're hanging out with a weird group -- they could have set him up, and he could have had no idea what was going on that day.Q: Did you ever take the so-called assassination tour?A: Not until recently. I don't think it's relevant to anything we do here and I appreciate you keeping it to yourself. That didn't set well with me. Furthermore, two days later he was shot and killed by nightclub owner Jack Ruby while still in police custody. Q: Give me an example of what you'd consider harassment, A: When I was pregnant with my first, some lady got my phone number and called in the middle of the night. Why have you started to speak out? Just out of the blue. And then, they tell a story about how after that I stood up in front of the whole class and said, "My father shot the President." Now, the word father does mean Lee to me. What investigation? * J Edgar Hoover himself solved the crime within 2 hours or so of the murder * The FBIs sole purpose then was to prove J Edgar when it was going on, and somebody said, "Your father was a hero." A: Part of it was the big anniversary, the 30th. I don't blame him for not being here for me. Several days after the funeral, Texas radio and TV reporter Bob Huffaker arranged a phone interview with her. I said in effect to each person who criticized, The one thing you havent shown us is that what we have done is unlike Christ., Sources: English Language Institute records; First Presbyterian Church (Ann Arbor) records; and Harlan Henthorne Hatcher Papers, all at the Bentley Historical Library; A history, the First Presbyterian Church of Ann Arbor, Michigan, 1826-1988: incorporating A sesquicentennial history 1976, newly revised and updated, editors Lila Miller, Robert M. Warner, Carl R. Geider; Warren Commission Report and Hearings; Follow Me, by Ernest T. Campbell. I know you were just a toddler, but do you have any recollections of turbulence in the household? Where Does Marina Porter Live Porter still lives with her second husband Kenneth, however in private, and is afraid to go out in public. I see Lee. And more: "There were some violent scenes. And they got my mother on television in a live interview -- she still doesn't have a good grasp of the language -- and they were asking her specific questions about this book. The next memory I actually have is in second grade. Ann Arbor police and campus officials vehemently denied the reports; Oswald herself told them she had not been assaulted in any way, physically or verbally. Based on U-M and church records, this may well have been Maurine Hovey Nolan, an ELI lecturer and longtime member of the congregation. The Michigan Daily made no mention of her presence (We just dont think shes news, the editor said). Jack Ruby, in full Jack L. Ruby, original name Jacob Rubenstein, (born March 25?, 1911, Chicago, Illinois, U.S.died January 3, 1967, Dallas, Texas), American nightclub owner who killed Lee Harvey Oswald, the suspected assassin of Pres. Perhaps my opinion is wrong, but at least I do not want to live with her and listen to scandals every day. There was a problem saving your notification. By the early 60s it was enrolling hundreds of students a year for intensive courses in vocabulary, composition, and grammar. ", My biggest concern was that people at the office had my home address and phone number and I didn't want it leaked to The National Enquirer. Obviously, if I'd wanted to share that I would have told everyone a long time ago. She said she came to know Oswald while the two worked on a plot to kill Fidel Castro during one summer when she was 19. She got all caught up, because she wants so badly to have this identification with her father. On November 25, 1963, the nations gaze was transfixed by the horse-drawn caisson and final burial of President John F. Kennedy. And there have been public hearings there and in Dallas and Boston. She managed to evade the media upon arriving (She slipped into our community at night by train while a battery of reporters were waiting hawkishly at the airport, Campbell said), but photographers were waiting when she stepped onto campus the morning of January 5 for ELI orientation. Cookie Settings, The Gunman and His Mother: Lee Harvey Oswald, Marguerite Oswald, and The Making of an Assassin, Dried Lake Reveals New Statue on Easter Island. Lee Harvey Oswald also was accused of killing Dallas police officer J.D. A good person. So she became sort of a tourist attraction.Q: Your childhood doesn't sound like it was easy.A: Mom kept us together. Why have you started to speak out?A: Well, there was a lot of misinformation being released related to a book, "Case Closed," by Gerald Posner. Despite his involvement with the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and other communist - sympathizing groups, Baker insisted Oswald had always remained loyal to theUnited States. I have to admit that when I heard that he used to play with me all the time, that was a nice feeling. Mom would smoke all the time. Lee Harvey Oswalds youngest daughter, Rachel, was only one month old in 1963 when her father allegedly killed President Kennedy, and was shot to death himself. Twenty-eight years later, she granted this TV interview. Raised by her stepfather, Rachel Oswald Porter didnt know who her birth father was as a young child. Send her back to Texas and if she felt any sorrow at all for the horrible thing her husband did to Jackie and all of the decent citizens of the United States, she would go back to Russia (where she belongs), said a writer from the Upper Peninsula. She hadn't read it. Rachel felt differently. I don't think that's true. I can tell you that I am very excited about the book in concept. So I called my staff in, a group of 10 or so, and I said: "Yes, that is me in the article. I do remember that our phones were tapped. Then I find out he's been doing some quote-unquote assassination research. I'm convinced that your mother and Priscilla had a sexual relationship." Judith Baker, author of "Me and Lee - How I came to know, love, and lose Lee Harvey Oswald," presents an article at a symposium on Sat. I didn't break down and cry or anything. In the spring of 1961, Lee Oswald met Marina Prusakova at a dance in Minsk, Belarus. Q: How did you feel about being singled out? To preserve these articles as they originally appeared, The Times does not alter, edit or update them. I had already written a we got to President Clinton to try to make sure he would appoint this review board from the Bush legislation to review assassination records, and to release those records. ", With several months to reflect after the President's assassination and her husband's death, Marina's views had hardened. Porter married Oswald during his temporary defection to the Soviet Union and emigrated to the United States with him. But she did. In my book she belongs where her husband is. Q: One can't help but notice that you address him as "Lee.". they went on with their lives as the girls hardly knew their father and are not bothered by others But I don't remember that. Q: To what extent have you followed the various conspiracy theories?A: It's only in recent years that I've started to get involved in all that, mostly as part of trying to get the records released. Marina and the 2 girls moved forward as Marina re- married and both girls grew up. They were born in 1960 and 1962one was named June Oswald. daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald spoke on her feeling. He had been covering activities at the Dallas Police Department Building for KRLD and CBS News, standing no more than 11 feet from Oswald when he heard Jack Ruby's .38 revolver and saw Oswald fall. Together, they had a son Mark Porter. Tippit as authorities closed in on him in the hours after Kennedy was shot. As she told the Warren Commission during her three days of combative testimony, "It is no crime to sell the pictures. My secretary in my last job put two and two together based on one of those articles. For all of Oswalds notoriety, there was little reaction to her being on campus. They first met last April in Washington. Oswald's girlfriend offers variation on JFK assassination. Lee Harvey Oswald in custody on Nov. 22, 1963. Marina and Lee Oswald had two I hung up the phone shaking my head at Marguerite Oswald's dizzying logic. A: The "second spirter," right. Baker said the city of New Orleans, where Oswald was born, was central to their relationship. We didn't use the Oswald name, and it didn't come, up a lot around the house except when reporters would call It was always a big deal in November, when it was very stressful in the house. She kept herself together for us. And I'm gonna be in Dallas, and I want to sing it to you.". As a single woman in the Soviet Union, Marina Oswald had studied at a technical pharmacy school in Leningrad. Mrs. ___________________________________________, Reminds me of Elvis Costello's song "Watching The Detectives.". ", on Interview with Lee Harvey Oswalds Daughter She Believes in his Innocence, Interview with Lee Harvey Oswalds Daughter She Believes in his Innocence. My first serious boyfriend -that's what he was fascinated about. So this little boy she was going with, his parents were going to come get her and they were going to go to the dance. MORE THAN 30 YEARS AFTER the Kennedy assassination, Lee Harvey Oswald is a name that will not go away. It might not have told us very much about the assassination of JFK but it provides an excellent insight into what it must be like to be the child of a much hated historical figure. Judyth Vary Baker, the lover of Lee Harvey Oswald, gave her perspective on the medias He wasn't much of a husband, he wasn't much of a father. Q: Was any of this an issue in your marriage? His goal was simple yet demanding. I went on a car trip up to the house I had lived in with Lee, Lee's boarding house, another house Mom had lived in with Lee that's still standing, the path of the motorcade, where the bullets hit. A: Something had come up where Mom had old boxes of letters out. Citing an extensive collection of government records and personal accounts, Baker argued the governments investigations of President John F. Kennedys assassination, of which Oswald was charged, were flawed. Mostly I feel bad that Lee was never able to tell his story. You try to be nice because you don't want to make somebody upset who's going to seek you out if they're kooky enough to do that stuff anyway. He wasn't much of a husband, he wasn't much of a father. See, this is the difference. Q: What are your thoughts on Norman Mailer's new book?A: I don't have a comment on it as far as its conclusions because I haven't read them, but I did start the book. He challenged his church the oldest in Ann Arbor to be politically and socially relevant.. (Other than Russian, I dont know any other language, she testified. The traditional campus response has been to treat such students no differently than any of the other young men and women in classrooms and dormitories. I can tell you that I am very excited about the book in concept. Although Baker was not in Dealey Plaza when Kennedy was shot, she said she spoke with Oswald 37 hours before. But it was so funny because Mom talked to them for - I mean, nobody noticed that the date wasn't there! Saunders, who came as an observer, was asked by Marguerite to officiate. But the unmovable Marguerite remained unapologetic. He said things when we were together like he really wanted to have children because "that would be the blood of Lee Harvey Oswald that was flowing through the kids.". When the executive committee of the church governing body, known as the Session, reached out to Oswald in late 1963, it had done so in secret in order that Mrs. Oswald might be free from the pressure of publicity in considering the offer. Its members never informed the Session or any other congregant of the invitation, or of Oswalds acceptance. Because that's mostly what I think of when I think of Lee. Almost immediately, she began receiving offers of help money, clothing, food, housing from around the country. Since I hadn't gotten a response, I toyed with the idea that I might have to go public. Nope. In one test (conducted by CBS News), 13 people were able to duplicate his shots. Four of those people had never fired the Mannlicher Carbiner She wanted to know Lee; she wants lee to be a saint. To avoid argument, the gravediggers were told they were digging a hole for William Bobo., As Secret Service, FBI agents, and a heavy police guard stood watch, seven newsmen serving asvolunteerpallbearers carried the pine coffin to the grave. There are a lot of assassination buffs who have analyzed all the technical data and the other available material and even they don't agree about what happened. Terms of Use But you have to understand that, aside from what role he had in the assassination, there's the issue of what role he had in our family. Audrey Marina Rachel Oswald - Everything You Wanted To Know About Lee Harvey Oswald's Daughter - Ned Hardy Audrey Marina Rachel Oswald was born on And I said, "Yes?" I move all the way up there, and his parents wouldn't even let us stay in his house because I was the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald. There were times when we didn't have milk to drink. It's not a matter of being ashamed, it's a matter of wanting to be judged as June Oswald and not "the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald.". Porter met Lee Harvey Oswald at a dance in March 1961 in Russia. After her death from cancer on January 17, 1981, Marguerite Claverie Oswald was laid to rest in the Rose Hill Cemetery. [3] They married six weeks later and had a It was a statement she memorialized by etching it in copper. And she said: "I'm so-and-so, and I just want you to know that I've written a song about you -- and your child. There's always been this little group that's followed us -- Mom, Rachel and me -- and calls us and is fascinated by anything surrounding us. Marina Oswald with children June and Rachel. Both interviews I found in the JFK collection at the Dallas Public Library last November. We regard Mrs. Oswald as a typical institute student, said ELI Director John C. Catford when her enrollment was announced. WebFrom left are, Oswald's wife, Marina, holding their daughter June Lee, 22 months; Robert Oswald, brother; and his mother Marguerite Oswald, holding her five-week-old Whom do you really think of as dad? Several years later, Ernest Campbell reflected on the episode initiated by one of his congregants. I can't imagine the burden they've carried over the years, but I hope they have found some peace in their lives. I don't know if I could've done it and kept my sanity: two small children, don't speak the language, dirt poor, everybody in the country pointing their finger at you -hating you in some cases. It also gives us information that helps explain Marina Oswalds comments about the assassination. Q: How are things between you and your mom these days? My secretary in my last job put two and two together based on one of those articles. I'm sure he will respond. Social justice drove Campbell, and he urged worshippers to engage with the world to right its wrongs. And I said, "Yes?" It's a little bit like opening a family album you didn't know existed before. She had been in the United States all of 17 months. Do I need to be more compassionate about it? Q: If someone was to ask you today who your father is, what would you say? The strongest reaction to Oswalds enrollment came from the people who were sponsoring her visit: the 2,300-member congregation of First Presbyterian Church. I don't know if I could've done it and kept my sanity: two small children, don't speak the language, dirt poor, everybody in the country pointing their finger at you -- hating you in some cases. Oswald with ELI Director Catford on graduation day in February 1965. Now and then, she would receive calls from television or newspaper reporters seeking to interview the mother of the assassin, the self-described "mother in history." They said it would depreciate the value of their home. She didn't feel like Kenneth was her dad. There was a bill passed at the end of the Bush Administration that required all Government agencies to review their files for any information related to the assassination and to release it - unless they felt there were matters of national security or a couple of other issues. Porter is 81 years old. Then I find out he's been doing some quote-unquote assassination research. I think her physical health and mental health have been damaged in recent years over all of the pressures put on her.Q: After all this time?A: Part of it was the big anniversary, the 30th. Cookie Policy They said it would depreciate the value of their home. ), When commission members presented her with paperwork written in English by her husband, she recognized his handwriting but did not comprehend the words. So I called my staff in, a group of 10 or so, and I said: "Yes, that is me in the article. Additionally, Porter told the commission she believed her husband was guilty of shooting President Kennedy on Nov. 22, 1963. A: I've always called him that. Within weeks, donations topped $12,000 and by early 1964 would grow to $70,000 the equivalent of nearly $600,000 today. By While married to Lee Harvey Oswald, she gave birth to her firstborn daughter called June Lee on 15th We always had this really bad connection, and when you'd pick up the phone you'd hear that other click. The law said that if they felt that way, then those documents needed to be turned over to the Assassination Records Review Board and those folks would review the records and either concur, release them in blacked-out state or release them entirely. Her coldness struck me. So I said, O.K, this is it. I'm a strong woman, but I don't know if I could've kept myself together. Got a question? When money ran low, she sold a letter or document connected to Oswald or an article of his clothing. This struck a chord with someone in the congregation who believed the church could help Lee Harvey Oswalds widow through education, assimilation and the English Language Institute. Because Marina Oswald realized that she and her children could become the focus of attention at any time, she made sure June and Rachel were always neatly dressed -- no matter how small the chore, and despite the fact that the family was often financially strapped. And I realize that I'm kind of cold about it, so how do I tell them? Moreover, Porter learned English and in 1989, she became a naturalized citizen of the United States. We are very close -- except when these kinds of things come up. Oct. 19, 2013 at Loyola University in New Orleans. Lee Harvey Oswald's youngest daughter, Rachel, was only one month old in 1963 when her father allegedly killed president Kennedy. Later that year the family moved from Russia to the United States. People sent us money following the assassination, because Mom was young with two small children and didn't speak the language. Well, that's what Rachel wants to believe. I try to hold that in the back of my head. The APB [all points bulletin] for the suspect of JFK's assassination was described as an early or mid-twenties caucasian male between 59511 in h Browse 22 June Lee Oswald had two children, Rachel and June the. Porter still lives with her second husband Kenneth, however in private, and is afraid to go out in public. I just remember crying a lot because Mom was crying. Q: Over the years, you've kept a pretty low profile. Mark Porter is the son of Porter together with her second husband Kenneth Jess Porter. A: It was unusual. She had been in the United States all of 17 months. The assassination has also been a constant in the life of June Oswald Porter, the 33-year-old daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald. A few letters arrived at President Harlan H. Hatchers office, most from writers who were angry enough to write but not to the point of signing their names. The assassination has also been a constant in the life of June Oswald Porter, the 33-year-old daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald. I found this on page 182 of the forum, well worth a read. He sold an article for an astronomical amount back then - I think it was $25,000. She described Michiganders as like the weather crisp and cool. She made no mention of her young daughters, and said she could not provide any interviews because she had a pending book contract. She was struck by the plight of Marina Oswald, the young Russian wife of assassin Lee Harvey Oswald. Marina Oswald Porter was the Soviet-American widow of Lee Harvey Oswald. And then she was gone. I would have liked for him to have his day in court. Click "Submit" to let the Reveille's student journalists know. So he moved to Boston and wanted me to join him. She wanted to know Lee; she wants Lee to be a saint. Lee Harvey Oswald was the assassin of U.S. President John F. Kennedy. I answered every letter, rightly or wrongly feeling it the obligation of my ministry to do so. Do I need to be more compassionate' about it? Just in recent years; but yes. In 1980 she was convinced by conspiracy buffs that the one in Harveys grave was a Russian spy and not Oswald. An obituary in the Wichita Falls Times Record News reported the elder Oswald was 83 at the time of his death. You will be able to leave a comment after signing in, political justice, conspiracy/truth, music, law, Bible prophecy, quote name='John Geraghty' date='May 13 2006, 02:49 PM' post='62308']. https://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/30/magazine/lee-harveys-oldest-june-oswald.html. ", I said I appreciate it, but I really don't get involved in that. Oswald was born in New Orleans, Louisiana, on October 18, 1939 to Robert Edward Lee Oswald, Sr. (18961939) and Marguerite Frances Claverie (19071981). Robert Oswald died of a heart attack two months before Lee was born. For years, the widow of Lee Harvey Oswald has avoided cameras while she tries to live a quiet life in Rockwall, northeast of Dallas. But earlier th Its the first time weve seen pictures of her in about 20 years. Marina Nikolayevna Oswald had two daughters, a 21-month-old toddler and an infant born just five weeks before the assassination. My first serious boyfriend -- that's what he was fascinated about. Thanks for the video; I'd never seen it before. It would seem a perfect fit for Oswald. I usually end up telling people that I'm seeing very often. Church leaders had suggested to Oswald that she use an assumed name when coming to Ann Arbor, but she declined. Great!" Some of you may not have read June (Oswald) Porter's 1995 interview and might find it of interest. But I still have problems in that area, because I date a lot. There were hysterics. For me, that is a dark forest, a heap of papers.. 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